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    June 09

    Something we should know

    Today, I met two things which confused me a lot.

    1.

    This morning, my classmate told me that he would go to department at 12:00pm, I said” what? Are you crazy”(who would go there at midnight especially in the summer time). After the confusion, I got the answer from Wikipedia.com, and found that I had a wrong concept about 12am and 12pm.

    “The 12-hour clock is a timekeeping convention in which the 24 hours of the day are divided into two periods called ante meridiem (a.m., Latin for "before midday") and post meridiem (p.m., Latin for "after midday"). Each period consists of 12 hours numbered 12 (acting as a zero), 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. The a.m. period runs from midnight (inclusive) to just before noon (exclusive), while the p.m. period runs from noon (inclusive) to just before midnight.” So 12:** in the noon is pm.

    There is another website http://longtailworld.blogspot.com/2006/04/japan1212am-is-noon-in-japan.html showing that 12am is noon in Japan, so it seems that the 12-hour clock has the different definition in Japan and maybe China.

     

    2.

      This afternoon, I read a book in library and found that below a picture of “Mount Everest”, it shows “Kala Patthar, Nepal”. Then I asked my Indonesian, Malaysian and Korean friends, they all told me that it of course belong to NepalChina is too ambitious. But later I asked the friends from China and Taiwan, their answer is “definitely, absolutely and surely China”. Though I know that Nepal has the south slope and China owns the north part, every Chinese is educated that the highest point on earth lies in China (Tibet). That’s really interesting and I look up the Wikipedia, “Mount Everest is the highest mountain on Earth, measured by the height of its summit above sea level. Its summit ridge marks the border between Nepal and China.” So it belongs to the both countries, or China and Nepal shares it, it belongs to no country. BTW, in 2002, the Chinese People's Daily newspaper published an article attacking the continued use of the English name for the mountain in the Western world, insisting that it should be referred to by its Tibetan name “Chomolungma”.

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    LIANG TUwrote:
    Mrs. stranger left this comment.
    Isn't it coooool~
    June 16
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    satomi wrote:
    thanks for the link;) you know, if one wants to claim 'i was atop of the world's highest mountain and i was standing on my territory!', it's quite possible. all s/he has to do is to stand one step down to his/her land:)  BTW, i've just turned to 40 this spring. used to be a girl decades ago. thanks, anyway;)
    June 16
    LIANG TUwrote:
    I just found that the japanese girl, whose website I cited for the issue"12am is noon in Japan", write on her blog about these two problems and gives interesting comment, which I paste below:
     
    A Chinese student, Liang, saying he had experienced the same confusion yesterday morning when his classmate told him he'd go to a department store 'at 12pm.' I know how you feel!!

    In the same entry, he was telling another eye-opening event that happened to him that same day.;
    This afternoon, I read ...... their answer is “definitely, absolutely and surely China”.
    According to Imaging Everest, the Chinese closed the door of Tibet to the West in the '50s, preventing any further attempts on Everest from the North Face, which eventually opened up the secluded land of Nepal. I asked my Indian neighbors from ITI, and they said, "Most people now climb from Nepal side, so people assume it's Nepal's land, but in fact it doesn't belong to any side." Same conclusion as Liang's.

    Well, it's kind of like '12 midnight'; it can be both the beginnning and the ending instance of the day, or an altitude zero that can be East and West at the same time, or neither.

    Actually the plate techtonics still continues to this day, lifting the entire Himalayan range 'by several millimeters each year.' (source)

    BTW, what impressed me was the way Liang handled it. Instead of arguing, he asked the others how they feel and searched for the things he didn't know yet. Without that, we'll never see the other side of the mountain.
    中国人学生Liang君の昨日の投稿からココにリンク発見。なんでも昨日の朝クラスメートが「12pmにデパート行くんだよ」と言うので、てっきり真夜中に買い物かと思ったら何のことはない、昼だ。不思議に思ってWikipediaで調べたら西洋では逆!目からウロコが百枚落ちたという。おおっ、アジアの同志よ!(ひしっ)

    で、この彼のエントリーにもう一つ興味深い話があった。ズバリ、「エベレストの頂上は誰の領土?」----

    「エベレスト山頂は中国の領地」と学校で習ったLian君。昨日の午後図書館で本を開くと写真には「エベレスト山(Kala Patthar, Nepal)」とある。試しにインドネシア、マレーシア、韓国の友達に聞いてみると、みな口を揃えて「ネパールに決まってるだろ~。中国は欲張り過ぎなんだよ~」。中国と台湾の友達に聞いてみると「当然、絶対中国でしょ。間違いない」、まるで正反対の答えだ。

    Wikipediaを見たら「山頂=国境。どちらの領土でもない」が正解。そういえば中国政府はエベレストなんて西洋風の呼称はやめて「チョモランマ」と呼べと西側に働きかけてる----

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    秘境ネパール側斜面に登山ルートが移ったのは'50年代。中国がチベットの国境を閉鎖してからである(Imaging Everest)。インド人の友達(ITI出身のインテリ夫妻)によれば「中国は歴史上何度も侵略してきたからね(エベレスト=「インドの万里の長城」)。みんなネパール側から登るから普通はネパールと思うようだけど、山頂自体は国境線だから本当はどちらの領土でもないんだよ」という。

    真夜中の零時が1日の始まりか終わりか分からないのや、経度ゼロが東か西か分からないのと同じってわけね。因みにプレートテクトニクスは今も続行中でヒマラヤ山脈は年に数ミリずつせり上がっている。(source)

    それにしてもLian君、ムキになって言い張るんじゃなく、いろんな人に話を聞いて調べるところが偉いよね。こうじゃないと山頂の反対側って永久に見えないからなぁ。
    June 16
    要出发去纽约了,希望你不会迷糊时间了。
    June 14
    betywrote:
    I am glad you are actually critical enough to care about those things. I knew that I never had confusion of both your stories before, but after I heard from you, I started opening my eyes also that one thing can be seen differently by two different people.
     
    Good job =)
     
    BTW, I try to find a sunset photograph. If you have good one, please refer it to me.
     
     
    June 12
    betywrote:
    I am glad you are actually critical enough to care about those things. I knew that I never had confusion of both your stories before, but after I heard from you, I started opening my eyes also that one thing can be seen differently by two different people.
     
    Good job =)
     
    BTW, I try to find a sunset photograph. If you have good one, please refer to me.
     
     
    June 12
    Mengjia Zhouwrote:
    that is intresting. Sorry that I did not pick up your phone yestery. It is too later in Richmond. I will call you today.
    June 12

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